As per our earlier conversation in the Pro Max prop section, I recently purchased a 32″ lab finished Pro Max, which has yet to be run. My question is about the PVS plugs: How do you insert them? And does using or not using them affect top speed? I’m not concerned about hole shot.
I tried tapping them in with a rubber mallet, then a hammer, then placing then in hot (tap) water for several minutes before inserting them, all to no avail. I was afraid I’d break the plastic if I used any more force.
I have my 300X gearcase centered about 1 1/2″ above the centerpod on my Stoker 22 Mod-VP hull, which causes the engine to rev up fairly high getting on plane anyway. I have an earlier 30” lab finished Pro Max without PVS holes, and I’ve used the Pro ET and Lightning ET over-hub exhaust props before and had no problems with any of them. So am wondering whether it will really make any difference whether the plugs are put in or left out in my application?
Thanks for your comments.
The venting system is designed to bring the boat on plane. At 70 mph, there’s 100 lb.ft of force applied to the gearcase/propeller, minimizing any exhaust escaping out the holes. The Pro Max’s small barrel enables the exhaust to flow through and over the barrel. This aerates the water around the propeller – similar to the what the PVS venting system does. With some applications, the gear ratio and taller pitch props require added aeration from the PVS vent holes. Installing the fittings can be tricky. Place the propeller on a work bench. Align the tapered side of the fitting over the PVS hole and hit the fitting squarely and forcibly with a plastic hammer.
Hello, i have a 30 Et 4 blade prop…..en i wanne buy a new prop…the mercury pro max 4 blade…………….but noboddy wasnt to tell me the difference between the 2 …esspeciasly…if i now have as 30 Pitch ET…do i need also as 30 pitch mercury pro Max…?
please give me asn anaser becauase i cald mercury heasdqwuasrter in begium, but the dit not kow thast..!@!@!@!!!!
The Pro Max props have the same blades as the Pro ET; we added the barrel to assist planing and hooking up better in turns. Run pitch for pitch.
I have a 2017 208 tyee GL with a verado pro 300 just bought a Bravo 1 LT 20.5 is this the best prop for top speed, PVS holes are pluged how do these affect top speed
Run the Bravo I LT and record rpm, top speed, and engine height, if you would like to make changes in performance we would start from there. The vent holes are for added planing performance and do not affect top speed. Especially on two-stroke outboards, removing the pvs plugs will cause air to flow both through the barrel and around the prop, making it spin up quicker.
engine height 2″ , 6000rpm , 60mph if you need anything more just let me know
You’re getting awesome performance. Don’t change a thing.
I am looking for some prop advice. I have owned a 21 foot race/ski type boat for about 12 months, similar to the Nordic, or Force Boats in Australia. It is partnered with a Mercury Verado Pro 300hp. I have been having hole shot issues with it since I purchased it. The boat weighs about 1900 pds, hull only, is 21foot long and a 21 degree deadrise. The boat is mainly a social ski boat, but I also use it for days out in the bay.
After testing many props, I have settled on the Vensura 4 blade in 19p.
I have also been playing around with engine height, and have added wedges. Both have improved hole shot significantly. I have found that the higher I lift the engine, the better the hole shot, however it is now cavitating. I am in the middle of moving the 200l fuel tank forward about 2 foot and am about to add a hydraulic jacking plate.
I am still looking for a better hole shot when pulling skiers. The hole shot is now pretty good when pulling a single 165lb skier, but starts to struggle when pulling a 250lb skier, or two heavy skiers.
What prop should I be looking at. Should I just go down in pitch to something like a 17p Vensura, or change to a larger diameter prop such as the Bravo 1FS, and if so, what pitch, or another prop. This is primarily a social ski boat, so speed is really of no concern. I am also happy to look at two props, one for skiing, and the second for cruising the bay. The current 19p vensura will hit the rev limiter (only just) at 6480 revs at 65Mph.
You may just have to step down to the 17” Vensura. Unfortunately, it can be hard to find. Mercury no longer is making the Vensura line. I hope you get a chance to try the 19” or 19.5” pitch Bravo I LT (contact Brainerd Propeller for their test program). Consider taking out (2) vent fittings to aerate the water around the propeller during planing.
Thanks Scott, I am in Australia so the test programs are few and fast between, but I will try and find a Bravo prop to try. Is it worth trying a High Five. I tried a High Five before the engine height was lifted and the before the wedges, and it was definitely the best Waterski prop, however very few people recommended the high Five for such a large hp engine.
I tried lots of props before the engine height and wedges were corrected thinking it was all a prop issue, however the engine height and wedges changed the characteristics of the hole shop dramatically, so now need to do some propping again.
If you can get your hands on a High Five – give it a whirl. Good luck.
I currently have a fury 3 blade on a 20 foot Lake &and Bay (no pocket) boca grande Flats boat with a 250pro/torque master . I am considering a lightning et, or the Fury 4 blade. Looking for more speed… Big surprise there. Please recommend a propeller for me with Pitch.
The ET is a fast prop but your on-plane performance will be different. Consider the Bravo I XS which is 2″ taller than the Fury. You will want to raise the engine at least 3/4″.
I have a 2007 20 ft lake and bay boca grande with a 2017 250 pro xs I have setback and my jack plate only moves 6-8 inches looking for max top end at 6g with a little hole shot
I have a bullet 21 SST with 300XS with a 1.62:1 gear ratio. What prop would you recommend? Medium to heavy load , i was thinking about pro max .
The Pro Max first; followed by the Bravo I XS (which is geared toward the heavier loads). Seek out advice from Glenn Reynolds at Reynolds Racing; 865-882-9623.
I have a customer with a 2015 382 fastech with sc 700 om971328 and ntx drives and only turning up 3900 without trim, and with trim 4000. What should this boat be running as far props when tested from factory and the max rpm with these red engines.
You should be in the neighborhood of a 30 pitch Bravo propeller, but it depends on gear ratio. Are the drives spinning outward? I know in some applications, the five blade Maximus is also used. Those engines spin up to 5800 rpm.
Hi: I have ordered a 2019 Ranger 619FS with a 225 hp Merc Pro XS 4-stroke XL. The boat will have a Merc 9.9 hp 4-stroke kicker.
I’m looking for a good hole shot and good mileage at mid-range cruising (~4,000 RPM), and not necessarily highest top end speed.
Scott has previously recommended props for me and was spot-on. I look forward to your reply. Thank you.
The Bravo I FS would be the way to go for all-around and I believe Ranger spec’s a 22″ pitch. For an even better hole shot (if Ranger specs the 22”) consider stepping down to the 21″ pitch. Your engine rpm will increase 150 and you’ll drop 1.5 mph. The Bravo I LT in a 21” pitch would also work but if you ever hit WOT the prop would offer to much stern lift giving a bow steer feel. Enjoy your new rig.
Scott I just ordered a 300r. I have a prop question. What prop do u recommend for the best overall performance
I just purchased a ‘19 tracker 195 txt tournament with a ‘19 150 proSX fourstroke that has a tempest plus 24p and 2.08:1 gearing. I’m only getting 50 mph at 6000 rpm. I do not believe this is the proper prop for this gearing. What would you suggest? With the 24p it want to run more than 6000rpm
What is the engine height on your setup? We like to measure the difference between the cav plate and the boat bottom. An easy method is to measure from the bottom of the boat to the ground and then from the cav plate to the ground, on a level surface, and subtract the difference. An average height for a setup like yours will be around 1.5″. I only ask because your slip number is very high, this could be because your engine is either too high or too low. ]
The boat is 17.5 and to the cav plate is 21.5
If the cav plate is 4 inches above the bottom of the boat, you will need to lower your motor at least two holes. This is most likely the reason for your high slip percentages.
I am running a 2013 yar craft 2095 btx tiller with a 175 optimax pro xs. The boat is stern heavy with a kicker, two batteries and a livewell in the rear. I am looking at running a four blade as the tempest does not want to hold the nose down in any chop unless trimmed all the way in. I am running a 19 tempest getting 51 mph around 5550 rpms. Any recommendations on a bravo or rev 4?
For added stern lift, consider the 19 pitch Bravo I LT. Your hole shot will benefit from the longer tube and your rough water handling should be much better.
I’ve got a 2016 Ranger 1850LS with a 150 Four Stroke (not ProXS). Motor is mounted in the center hole. Ranger shipped it with a Tempest Plus 19, and she runs about 46.5MPH GPS WOT at 5500-5550 RPM. But the hole shot is not great, especially if I get more than 2 souls on board.
I switched to a 17P Rev 4 at the recommendation of Bud at Ranger Boats and now she runs about 44.5 MPH GPS WOT, at about 5600-5650 RPM, but the hole shot is much improved.
I don’t often run WOT, and sometimes have 4-5 souls on board, adding to the stern weight. Hole shot is still poor enough with 4-5 people on board that pulling a skiier out of the water is not easy, esp in the warmer weather. Usually have to ask a person or two to move to the bow and things are better.
I do really like the handling of the Rev 4, and honestly feel it is a really good prop for my hull, but wanted to know if you have any other or better recommendations. Trying props is kind of an expensive hobby! Would prefer to get it right.
Great testing results. It sounds to me like the 19 Tempest is a great top end prop and a 15 pitch Rev 4 would be a great family and water sports prop. Both props are hooking up great for you, the 15 pitch will offer improved hole shot but you will lose 3-4 mph at wide open.
I just bought a 2007 formula fastech 382 that has blue mercury 600 with the whipple from mercury. Boat had generator, bathroom, etc. When I’m getting up on plane the boat had a major vibration. It stops when I’m on plane and don’t come back. People have said cavitation but my 2000 fountain fever 32 w/ 502s don’t do it. Props don’t look bent but who knows. Boat only has 200 hours and the previous owner said it’s always done it. How bad should the cavitation be or not be.
Congrats on the purchase. Are you running Bravo I propellers? If so, are they lab finished? Switching to a 5 blade propeller such as the Maximus Short Tube can help with your cavitation issue. A great person to talk to about your setup would be Bob Teague at Teague Custom Marine. Give them a call at 661-295-7000. He has years of experience with setups like yours.
I just picked my new Liberator 21 with a 1.60 300R. I plan to use the boat both for high speed running and general recreation, including skiing and tubing. Got a 5 blade 32″ cleaver for the high speed chores which, I think, should work well but I’m not so sure about the ski prop. Liberator provided a 26″ Bravo I XS. This prop doesn’t match your current catalog description. It’s 15* diameter and has four 1″ vent holes whereas the catalog says it should be 15.25″ with 8 smaller vent holes. It has whaat appears to be the correct part number stamped on the barrel, 48-831914, 26P. Is this an older version of the XS? I see from the catalog description that the XS was designed for heavier bass boats and dual engine cats running 2 cycle motors but can be adapted to 4 cycle by plugging the vent holes which mine are not. I’m thinking a MAX 5 ST with 28 pitch might be a better choice. What do you recommend?
All of the Bravos are actually closer to 15 inches in diameter. The part number stamped on the prop is just the casting number, that casting is used to make 7 different varations of Bravos. If there is no “XS” stamped on the inside of the barrel then it could be a standard mainline Mercury Bravo I that has been modified by a prop shop. I am happy to look at pictures if you’d like to email me- firstname.lastname@example.org. As for your cleaver, I assume it is a Signature Propeller, please note that Mercury will not warranty any damage caused if the prop throws a blade. We have had numerous customers try to warranty gear case, side plastics, and prop shaft damage caused by a Signature propeller breaking.
I still agree with your original thought of the Bravo FS for a workhorse/ fun prop. The MAX5 ST will be faster, almost as fast as the cleaver, but if you want to save a few bucks you can go with the Bravo FS.
Hi Scott, I have a 2017 Lund 219 PV with a 300 Verado Pro raised all the way up. It came with a 19P Enertia and performance is pretty good. .Best=..60.8 mph @ 6200 rpm light load, 55-57 mph loaded at about 6100 rpm. Control is good at most speeds and bite/hold is good. I wanted a little more lift and tried a Bravo LT 19P and in calm water it was comparable to the Enertia. It rough water (3′-5′) it was extremely squirrely and lost “bite” and control to the point that it was definately not the prop to use. I have also tried a 22P Enertia (too steep) and a DAH worked large barrel 21P Trophy (couldn’t turn the rpm’s) a DAH worked 19P Rev 4 also couldn’t turn R’s. I’m looking for a back up prop and was wondering if a 19P Tempest might give me a little more lift? Any thoughts?? Thx, Peter
It sounds like the LT is lifting the stern a bit too much at speed. I can offer to trim the barrel for you, effectively turning the prop into a Bravo I FS. This will settle the stern and allow for more bow lift. If you want to go down that route, send it to N7480 County Road UU, Fond du Lac WI 54937 ATTN Nick. I’ll get it done and shipped back out the same day.
I’ve got a 24 foot lake n bay center console with a 350 verado sci, 23inch revolution 4 prop only getting 5900 rpm’s at 61mph. What the best prop for more rpm’s and the most top speed
For pure top end speed, consider a 24 pitch Bravo I FS. Expect to gain 100-150 RPM and at least 2-3 mph on top end. Typically the Rev 4 will have better hole shot than the Bravo.
I have a 21’ ocean runner (paramount clone) with a 300xs I am looking for a prop for medium to heavy load. Hull dry weight is 2300lbs I am leaning towards a promax but not sure how much pitch. Any suggestions?
Since you are loading the boat up, consider the Bravo I XS. The Pro Max may be faster with a light load but the Bravo will carry the boat better. Do you have speed data? Hard to make a pitch selection, if you think the boat will do 75 mph, you are looking at a 25.5 or 26 pitch.
I tested with a 24 bravo and a 24 tempest , both props revved to 5400 rpms at 64 mph. Both were kinda sluggish out of the hole.
Standard Bravo or a Bravo XS? You should be able to raise the Bravo slightly higher than the Tempest for better performance as well.
After trying a bravo and a bravo xs the XX definitely performed better out of the hole but I am experiencing some porpoising at mid to top speed that I can not trim out of. I have to trim back down resulting in a lower speed. With the bravo Xs 22p the top speed is 61 at 5900 rpms I have a 22 inch set back motor bracket and jack plate. Any suggestions as to why I am getting this? Do I need more bow lift?
Did the porpoise happen with the standard Bravo I? The standard Bravo I will have the longer barrel, same as the Bravo I LT. Typically a little more stern lift helps with porpoise.
It has porpoise with both the bravo and the bravo xs. It comes right as the boat begins to “free up”. It runs great at mid range cruising speed. Would re working the prop to add cup help?
Yes that could help, anything to get a touch more lift.
Hello , I have a 270 Boston whaler dauntless with the new v6-225 mercs. They have the 19” enertas, and will the max revs easy . What can I expect if I go to a set of 20” enertas ? 2mph increase ,better fuel economy
Awesome setup. Do you have a dealer that is willing to work with you on the props? You can expect better cruise economy, better top end, but slightly slower hole shot when you step up in pitch. I think your 2 mph estimate is right on the money. The ideal scenario would be to try both 20 and 21 pitch. You will drop about 150 RPM per inch of pitch.
Thanks Nick, hole-shot is no issue with these motors. Would you know what rpm peak power occurs? I’m on my with the props so watching eBay etc, Anything other than the enertas you would suggest?
If you could dial it in between 5700 and 5900 you’ll be on the money. Enertias will be the best.
I have a 21 foot superboat with a 2006 Yamaha 250 vmax I am currently running a 27 tempest my rpms are at 6100 wot and 76 mph on gps I am thinking of going with a pro max prop. I am trying to get a little more top end speed. What do you recommend
Typically the Superboats run best with the Trophy Plus, but it only goes up to 26 pitch. Consider a Lab Finish 28 pitch Pro Max.
I have a 1991 31 scarab excel and just repowered from 330s to 496s dynoded at 505hp at 5400 rpms. Any suggestions on where to start??? I ran 22p bravos with the 330s…
Do you still have the Bravos to establish a baseline? That would be the best place to start.
I have a 22ft lake and bay stepped hull bay boat with a 300 verado. Hitting rev limiter on 20p mark croxton razor 4 straight getting 64mph with jack plate bottomed out. Would the rev4 xp be right? And what pitch? Thanks
If you like the handling of the croxton, I believe the Rev 4 is a similar blade design. Consider a 22 pitch. A few of the Lake and Bay owners have had success with the Bravo I FS because it offers slightly more bow lift. If you’d like to go that route, consider a 23 pitch.
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