FS Miller

Steve's boat is similar to this Lund Pro-V 2075.
Steve’s boat is similar to this Lund Pro-V 2075.
Steve's Verado 300 Pro Fourstroke.
Steve’s Verado 300 Pro Fourstroke.

My good friend Steve Miller recently bought a 2014 Lund Pro-V 2075. Steve is the Senior Category Manager for Mercury Marine. He was heavily involved with the Verado from day one and also on the ground floor of the 150 Fourstroke launch as well as the launch of its 75-115 siblings. He knows the products – inside and out. Its only natural his 2075 Lund features Verado 300 Pro Fourstroke power. Steve uses the boat for both fishing and family time on the water. 

The factory setting had the cavitation plate one inch above the bottom of the boat.
The factory setting had the cavitation plate one inch above the bottom of the boat.

Steve ran the boat over the summer and was generally pleased but something was missing.  He knew the engine wasn’t revving to its full potential and the boat wasn’t as responsive as he would like either.

“I knew the boat was capable of a solid low-60’s top speed with proper set-up. While going fast is not my primary goal, I wanted to ensure a solid enough top end number because I know if I have that, I will by default maximize my cruising speed and fuel efficiency numbers,” said Steve.

He provided me with data from one of his initial runs.

  • Engine height from factory: Cavitation plate measured 1″ from the bottom of the boat
  • 21″ pitch Tempest Plus prop
  • Fuel level – 3/4 full (46 gallons)
  • Engine rpm: 5850 to 5900
  • Top speed: 59.5 mph
We moved the engine up by two holes on the clamp/mount bracket for enhanced engine rpm.
We moved the engine up by two holes on the mounting plate for enhanced engine rpm.
Our revised engine height places the cavitation plate 2-1/2" above the bottom of the boat.
Our revised engine height places the cavitation plate 2-1/2″ above the bottom of the boat.

Steve called me late last Fall to experience the boat first hand. I ‘m always up for an  opportunity to get on the water. My first suggestion was to raise the engine height by two holes on the clamp bracket. The bottom of cavitation plate now measured 2-1/2″ from the bottom of the boat. With the same amount of fuel and same 21″ pitch Tempest Plus prop, the following results were realized.

  • Engine rpm: 6175 to 6275
  • Top speed: 61.1 mph
The Pro Finish 21" pitch Bravo I FS.
The Pro Finish 21″ pitch Bravo I FS.

He knew the engine had more in it and could spin more rpm.  I suggested he try our 21″ pitch Bravo I FS. For those of you who have been following our blogs, you know I normally suggest going up 1″ in pitch when switching from a standard prop such as the Tempest to the FS. For Steve, the 21″ would be adequate as he was more concerned about hole shot and acceleration than overall top-end speed. The results were spot on for Steve’s needs.

  • 21″ Pitch Bravo I FS
  • Fuel level – 3/4 full (46 gallons)
  • Engine rpm:  6250 – 6325
  • Top speed: 61.4 mph
Steve's son Macallan fishing as the the sun sets on one of many memorable outings with his dad.
Steve’s son Macallan fishing as the the sun sets on one of many memorable outings with his dad.

“I really liked Scott’s idea regarding the Bravo I FS and once I tried it, I knew why. I now experience virtually zero bow lift when planing off with no line of sight loss. Mid-range acceleration and responsiveness is amazing.  And because it lifts and holds the whole boat, from stern to bow, it allows me to trim in a bit to keep the bow down and pointed into the seas when it’s rough. The rough water ride at cruise is just that much smoother and more predictable,” Steve said.

“Great performance, predictable handling, and a smoother ride . . . that’s my trifecta when I’m setting my boat up, and this prop delivers,” Steve concluded.

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108 thoughts on “FS Miller”

  1. I found your reference to the distance of the cavitation plate to the bottom of the boat very interesting . My boat also is set at a one inch above the bottom of the boat, but the prop only has one inch clearance below the plate. If I raised the motor a inch or to would this also work for me

    1. Jeffery,
      Yes it should, typically the measurement from the bottom of the boat to the bottom of the cavitation plate (both surfaces level) is 2″ to 2.5″ for 50 to 60 mph and 3″ to 3.5″ for 60 to 70 mph; both outboard powered boats.

  2. I have a 2075 prov with a 300 verado as well. Do you think I could spin the 22″ Bravo 1 FS with the motor mounted in the top hole?

    1. Erik,
      You could run the 22″ pitch Bravo I FS with the 300 Verado – mounting the engine at the second hole from the top of the bracket. The only way to know if it will work at the top hole is to test (remember to monitor water pressure). Please let us know what you end up doing. The reason Steve stayed at that engine height – along with running the 21″ pitch Bravo I FS – was to enjoy the enhanced planing performance along with the family’s water sports activities.

      1. Finally had a chance to test the 22″ Bravo I FS mounted in the second hole. 3/4 fuel, two people. 59.4 at roughly 6050 rpm. Hole shot is still excellent.

  3. Hi Scott
    I have the 2075 pro v with the 300 four stroke currently running the 22 bravo 1 fs. Now that there is the new 400 with the sport master hd , and I understand that the sport master will fit on my engine, I was wondering if you could comment on the likely effect on this boat motor combination of switching to the sport master lower unit



    1. James,
      Good question. Stay with your current gearcase. The Sport Master is designed for high speed applications capable of reaching speeds in excess of 85 mph. It is also designed to run at the water surface; basically pushing the boat through the water. Light weight hulls with natural bow lift are the appication for the Sport Master. Your Lund needs the gearcase lower in the water to generate bow lift. The Sport Master is actually larger in size compared to the standard, 5.44 HD Verado gearcase and thus would actually be a deficit when run below the surface. I’m curious. Let me know the bolt hole your 300 Verado is mounted at. I would also like to know the rpm and speed you are seeing at WOT.

  4. I have a 2025 pro v with a 275 verado running 22p Enertia . I have hit 60mph with this set up pulling 6300 rpms was curious if this setup would also work ?

    1. Brandi,
      You’re set up would be a strong candidate for the Bravo I FS. Consider your engine height when making the pitch selection. If you stay at the current height – run the 22” pitch. If you go up one hole you can expect to gain rpm. At that height – go with the 23” pitch.

  5. I am running an alumacraft t pro 195 with a 200 verado l4, I have a tempest 21 on the boat and full load (how I normally run) I am getting 48 ish mph depending and 5700 rpms. Would the new 20 in bravo 1 fs you just released work for me? I would like to get my rpms up and help with some proposing issues I am having. Thanks.

    1. Christopher,
      Yes and Yes. The engine rpm should go up approximately 150 and you can gain additional rpm if you’re able to raise the engine one hole (.75”). The 3 blade props perform best when run deeper in the water. The 4 blades run better up a little higher. The added blade allows for the additional engine height, which in turn reduces gearcase drag for an improved ride with increased top speed.

  6. Hey Scott,

    I will be picking up a 2015 Lund 1875 pro v with a 200 pro verado “6 cyl” this week. It has a 21 tempest on it. I already own a 21 tempest and was wondering what pitch bravo FS you would recommend. I have not been in the boat so unfortunatly I don’t have any test data. I know Mercury tested this boat with a 19 pitch tempest for the boat house bulletin reviews. That is kinda why I’m confused. Do I go with a 20″ FS or a 22″ FS or stay with a 21″. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


    1. Brad,
      As long as you have a 21″ pitch Tempest, run the boat to get a bench mark of the engine rpm and boat speed at wide open. Also, can you measure the engine height to find the distance (in inches) the cavitation plate is above the bottom of the boat? Start with leveling the boat with the trailer jack. From the back of the boat, take a measurement from the very bottom of the boat to the floor. The next step is to level the engine using a level on the cavitation plate. Take a measurement from the bottom of the plate to the floor. Subtract the boat measurement from the cavitation plate measurement and let me know what that is.

  7. Hey Scott,

    I was finally able to run the boat yesterday. (3/22/16) Water was glass, 55F temp. Water temp was 45F. Boat did 53 mph at 6000rpm with the 21 tempest. I played with the trim till I saw the fastest mph I could get then checked rpm. I measured the distance between the bottom of the boat and the cavitation plate how you asked and it is 3/4 of an inch above the bottom of the boat. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


    1. Brad,
      your engine height is very conservative with the cavitation at .75″above boat bottom. Also, I’d like to see you increase your engine rpm. Raising the engine two holes will increase the gap from .75” to 2.25”. A 21” pitch Bravo I FS will offer an awesome hole shot, as well as an enhanced and a gain of 1.5 mph top-end speed. You’ll also realize an improved fuel economy in the mid-range.

  8. I have a 2012 2075 Lund. Loaded with a kicker, transom mounted vantage and of course all the gear. My set up is n second hole from top, my Rpms are a max of 5950. My top speed averages out around 57.5. I have just lifted my motor two holes as u did in the article. I will report back as to how it performs. How would
    The rev 4 be like compared to the bravo. I’m not happy with my 21 tempest. And of course I have to pick one prop and Ho with it as there is no service available for prop testing around here (Regina, Canada)
    Thanks for your time.

    1. Ryan,
      If you’re running the Verado, stick with the Bravo I FS. It offers the best overall performance. The Rev 4 is a good prop but to get enough rpm you have to go down to a 19” pitch which greatly affects top speed.

    2. While, I made it out today. Temps were cool, wind was minimal. Best results throughout all trim levels was 6220 @56.5. The worst top speed I’ve ever seen in my boat. In second hole from bottom.( 2.5 above transom) And that was making a huge rooster tail. The hole shot was a huge improvement. I’m starting to wonder if perhaps my vrod isn’t making the power.

      1. Ryan,
        What pitch Bravo I FS are you using? If you raised your engine and are continuing to use the 3-blade prop – You will notice the 3-blade loses its ability to grip the water (all testing in the FS Miller article was with new props). Over time – props will lose their grip; engine rpm goes up and speed drops down. It’s a common occurence when a prop is damaged and repaired. Most people you talk to notice that the prop looks good after a repair – but it just doesn’t perform as it did when new. It’s hard to get a damaged prop back to original specification.

        1. Well did some major testing. Had 2 boats out first boat Lund pro v 2075 300 Vrod. Engine height stock second hole from top.
          -21 tempest 5900 60.5
          20 bravo Fs 6300. 60.9
          22 bravo (stock prop no vent plugs) 5700 59.5
          Boat 2 (mine) engine raised 2 holes. As millers.
          21 tempest-5975 –58.4
          20 bravo Fs 6275 60.4
          22 bravo (stock prop no pvs) 5750 58.0

          These boats are loaded identically and are as close as one could get. All testing was done within minutes of each other. Conditions were calm and water temps 65
          I have recently borrowed an actual 22 Fs from my friend Ryan Johnston (400r on yarcraft) and will take that out this weekend. I don’t believe there will be a difference in the 22 pitch props. Both had same casting numbers on outside. One has pvs and Fs stamped on inner ring. One doesn’t have either.
          Thanks again Scott and looking forward to your response.

          1. Ryan,
            Thanks for the data. There is a big difference when comparing the stock Bravo I to the hybrid Bravo I FS. The 22″ pitch Bravo I FS should drop engine speed by 300 rpm compared with the 20″ pitch FS. You should realize 62-63 mph speeds.

        2. Ended up trying 22fs. Tournament load 61.6 6150 rpm. Very happy with it. The boat holds speed and rpm with as little as 2800 rpm. And hole shot is good. These props completely changed my boat for the better. On my merc monitor. I am now able to see a 15-20 percent increase in fuel mileage. can cruise easily at 4.7 mpg, where’s as I struggled to hit 3.9 with my 21 tempest. Having the bow lower really makes the ride better! We had a decent chop. 20 mph gusts. Was able to see 61.6 going with the wind and 60.4 nto it. That’s very good as usaully that would mean a 2-3 mph loss.
          I give the 22fs a 10 in my books.
          Thanks for pointing me there.

          Ryan Padar

  9. I bought a 2015 2075 Lund Tyee, I would like to know what pitch Tempest I should get ? also if I would decide on a Bravo 1 what pitch I should get .
    it is very hard to find info on proper , propping of boats

    1. Norm,
      The pitch of the props depends on the load that you plan to carry. For a heavy load, the 19” pitch Tempest would offer good rpm at WOT. However, the 20” pitch Bravo I FS would offer enhanced performance from planing to fuel-sipping cruise as well as the best ride for rough water conditions and great speeds. If you were more of a medium load – then it’s the 20.5” pitch Bravo I FS. For light loads go for the 21” pitch Bravo I FS.

  10. I have a 2016 north river Seahawk with a 2016 225 verado mounted in the third hole from the top of engine first prop was a rev 4 17 pitch 40 mph 5400 rpm second prop 15 pitch emerita 5960 Rpm 40 mph any suggestions thanks bob

    1. Bob,
      The 15” pitch Enertia will offer the best top speed. However, if you want to improve planing performance, the 14” pitch could get the rpm up to 6100 – 6150. The reduction in pitch may drop your speed by 2 mph.

  11. Hey guys,

    I just bought a 2015 Lund Tyee gl with 200 verado and enertia 19p. 15 hrs broke in riding solo with 1/4 tank getting 47 mph. I’m wondering if I need to raise the motor from the factory set to reach that 50 mph mark. Any thoughts?

    1. I think I found the problem! The ducer for my depth finder was mounted on the middle of the trnsm and right in front of the prop. That interrupts clean water getting to the prop and affects performance. I plan to test tomorrow and will follow up.

      1. Well sure enough tested today with no transducer on and gained 6 mph! Still wondering if I have the right prop and motor height though. Any thoughts Scott?thanks

        1. Tallis,
          It’s interesting how an improperly mounted transducer can affect performance. Which 200 Verado do you have? What rpm are you achieving at the new speed of 53 mph?

          1. Scott

            Thanks for the reply. I have the 4. No trim I’m at 5500 rpm. Ivan max out my speed by trimming up and hitting 6200 rpm. Still lose the hole shot battle to my bro with a Stratos 386xf w/200 Suzuki. Do you think I would benefit more on hole shot and top end with a different prop? And yes I didn’t believe it would make different moving the transducer when my buddy said to but he and the reviews were right.

            Thanks Scott

          2. Tallis,
            I waited to answer your question so I could recommend you to consider the 20-inch pitch Bravo I LT. I think it would be a great option for your Lund. The added length of the barrel should help the planing performance. Check your engine height. Often the engines are hung too low – resulting in a rough ride rough with boat seeming to be glued to the water. The AV (cavitation) plate should be between 2.25” to 2.5” above boat bottom. Enjoy the new ride.

          3. Scott

            Thanks for the reply. I’ll give it a shot and let you know how it goes. Thanks for the advice.


    1. Gene,
      Any idea how high the cavitation plate is over the bottom of the boat? You might benefit from a 4 blade.

  12. i have a 2014 Lund 1975 prov v with a 300 verado 65mph with a 24p thinned out worked tempest plus 6340rpm ,would the 24 or 25 pitch bravo 1 fs give me more speed thanks great info

    1. Canuck,
      Tough to say because of what’s been done to the Tempest. Thinning props typically offers increased speed because there is less of a wedge going through the water resulting with reduced drag. The drawback is you also have less blade longevity. If you have the 300 Verado Pro with a 1.75 gear ratio, the Tempest prop slip is high. The 25” pitch Bravo I FS has a chance (not saying it will for sure) of increasing speed by reducing the amount of prop slip. The Bravo is, in most cases, considered to offer a better ride than a 3 blade. Good luck.

  13. Scott – I just purchased a new 2016 1875 Pro V with the Mercury 150 four Stroke. The dealer installed a new Tempest Plus 19P Prop. The motor is mounted in the very top whole. From what I am reading that might be to far down. I have only been able to reach about 5300 RPM at about 46 MPH on the GPS. What are your recommendations for this set up? I will check the AV Plate height tonight.



    1. Dan,
      It would be good to know the anti-ventilation plate height. I imagine it’s close to being even with the bottom of the boat. We’ve had several Mercury 150 customers running the Bravo I FS. The prop runs best when it isn’t buried. Let us know what you find out for height.

    1. Dan,
      If you want to maximize the 150 FS performance, consider raising the engine so the AV plate is up 1.75” to 2.5”. Install the 20” FS and have fun.

  14. Hello Scott,I have the same boat as Steve Miller only mine is a 2015.with a 9.9 kicker 36 volt bowmount. I am in Colorado fishing in lakes from 5300 to 9000 ft. They set my boat up with a 21 tempest plus in the second hole from the top. At 8500 feet, 1/4 tank of gas and two people its 17 seconds to get on plane with a top speed of 51 at 5600 rpm.even supercharged we loose about 15% at high altitude.
    Talked with my salesman and he said in 30 years of selling Lunds he has never raised a motor and doing so may be unsafe. My Cavitation plate is sitting 1/2 inch above the bottom of the boat.Even trimmed up all the way I feel like the boat is plowing at wot.The salesman looked at me like I was nuts when i mentioned raising the motor and going to a bravo.Any suggestions?

    1. Mike,
      Alot has changed over 30 years. Just in the past 2 years we’ve seen the most performance gains with Lund. They’re raising the engines and using the Bravo I FS. Interesting your boat was set up with the same pitch prop Steve’s had. He’s running at 500’ above sea level. Engines lose power at higher elevation. Even the Verados are challenged above 6000’. If you want to have a new boat, raise the engine so the AV plate is the same height as Steve’s. Step down to a 20” pitch Bravo I FS and have fun.

  15. Hello Scott, I have a 2013 1875 Lund Pro V with Verado 200hp (4cyl) with a 19 tempest ss prop. I run about 50-51 mph. The hole shot is good and the troll set speed is around 2.1 mph

    Looking to achieve more top end speed, maintain performance/boat stability and trolling speed. Maybe I am asking too much? I usually fish with two or three of us in the boat, no kicker.

    Thanks for any advice you may have.


    1. RS,
      For top speed, the Tempest is doing pretty good. I’m not sure the 4 blade will top that. However, if your looking for greater stability and improved handling (especially with three in the boat) – then you will be pleased with the Bravo I FS in 20” pitch.

  16. I purchased a 2016 lund impact 1875 sport with a 150 merc. Use the boat for fishing and recreational boating. It came with an aluminum 19p prop. Any thoughts on which ss prop would give more fuel mileage and maybe a mile an hour or several without losing much acceleration? Will it be able to spin the 20″ FS at the right rpm?

    1. Bill,
      If you’re getting good rpm with the aluminum Black Max 19” pitch, the 20” FS might be too much prop; lowering engine speed by 200 to 300 rpm. Consider the Enertia (not the ECO Enertia) in 19” pitch unless the Black Max 19” enables your engine to run near the rev-limiter at WOT. If that’s the case then consider the 20” pitch.

  17. Hey Scott, i recently purchased a Crestliner Authority 2050 with a 225 Verado. The boat came with a Tempest Plus 21p. It ran 5750-5800 rpm at 56 mph. I swapped to a 19p Tempest Plus and it ran 6150 rpm at 56.5–57 mph. The motor height was setuped on the 3rd hole (middle). I asked the dealer to mount it one hole higher (second hole from bottom) because we barely see the cavitation plate during cruising (30 mph).

    Recently i read a lot about the new Enertia Eco. What do you think about that prop with his large diameter vs a Bravo 1 FS ?

    Thank you

    1. Benoit,
      The Eco is a great prop for the right application. Unfortunately, the multi-species boat is not it. The FS will offer a much better ride; especially in rough water. You will experience better acceleration, boat control and the best top speed. Some drawbacks of a 3-blade prop with your style of boat is the increased amount of bow lift during planing. The FS raises the bow only 10” or so. The ride in rough water can offer a pounding effect from the prop generating too much bow lift. The boat feels like a kite with that much bow lift at WOT in a strong wind. The AV plate should be 2.25” to 3” above boat bottom. With the engine at the old height, I’d recommend the 20” FS. However, by raising the engine one hole (.75”), you will typically gain 100 to 150 rpm. If that’s the case then I would recommend a 21” pitch FS.
      Bonne chance (good luck),

  18. Thanks Scott,

    With the motor lifted since my last message i get about 3″ when measuring.

    My boat tend to porpoise and i can barely trim on the smart craft gauge cruising (30 mph), 0.6-0.9 trim

    There is no porpoising at WOT and i can trim to about 2.7-2.9.

    I guess we can discard too much pitch from the prop and the motor height. Do you think a 4 blade like Bravo 1 FS could help? Porpoising is worse with more people and if they are seated way back and there is some waves i can’t trim at all. I’m actually speaking with my dealer and Crestliner about the issue but i was wondering if the 4 blade might be the solution…

    1. Benoit,
      I spoke with Crestline regarding your set up and suggested they try the Bravo I LT (long tube). In many cases, the longer tube can minimize porpoising. Please keep us informed.

      1. Hi Scott, dealer just installer trim wedge because we can’t put adjustable trim tabs on my boat since the SST transom. This should help in some heavy load condition (3-4 guys) so i can trim further down without porpoising…

        Do you suggest the same pitch FS or LT? About 1 more pitch than the Tempest?

        1. Hi Benoit,
          Interesting idea using the wedge. Yes, run 1″ pitch higher than the Tempest to achieve similar rpm. Look at the LT with the long tube to help reduce porpoising.

  19. Hi Scott,
    Just picked up my new 2016 Lund Pro-V 2075 with a 300 Verado Pro. At wot the engine is getting 5850 rpm and 54.5 mph with a med/heavy load. The engine is mounted in the second position and the Cavitation plate is level with the bottom of the boat and is equipped with a 19p Tempest. I would like to maintain good hole shot, quick planing, increase rpms and top end speed. What is your recommended set up. Thanks.

  20. Hi Scott. I have a 2017 Lund 202 Gl Pro-v on the way with a 300 Pro 4 V-Rod -no prop. I have heard really good things about Bravo 1 fs 20 pitch on this particular boat. Curious on your thoughts. Wondering about the new Lt as well!? Thanks , Jay

    1. Jay,
      You will really like the 4 blade Bravo I. If your rig doesn’t have a kicker, go with the Bravo I FS. With a kicker, go with the Bravo I LT. The added weight of the kicker is supported by the LT; lifting the complete boat up and out of the water. This provides quicker planing – especially when the live wells are full. Run pitch for pitch withh the FS verses the LT to achieve the same rpm.

  21. 2015 Lund ProV 2075 with a Merc 300 Verrado – 19 pitch, 3 blade tempest. I am only seeing 57.5 mph at 6350 RPM and am hoping for more…

    I am often going up and back on Lake Powell 40+ miles each direction. I am looking to whatever you feel with squeeze out the absolute top speed and am willing to give on other aspects due to routine long hauls.

    It sounds like raising the motor from 2nd to the bottom up 2 spots is key. Thoughts on a 21″ pitch Bravo 1 FS vs another pitch?

    Thanks in advance,

  22. Scott,
    Is the 21 pitch no longer available? I am only seeing a non-vented 22-36 pitch on the Comp Series tab on the Mercury website.

  23. Looking for help on setting up a 1875 pro v with 200 verado pro to obtain 60 mph and good ride and handling.

    1. Brent,
      What are you currently running for a prop? What is the pitch, engine rpm and WOT speed? Are you running a kicker?

    2. just ordered boat and am trying to get info to set up boat for best performance.would like to push the 60MPH mark and still have good hole shot and handling for ski and tubing wake board etc.Any ideas would help.

      1. Brent,
        What kind of boat and motor and do you have any specifications for top speed and rpm with what prop? A water sports prop in many cases is lower in pitch compared to high speed prop so you may not be able to accomplish both.

        1. Boat is 2017 lund pro v 1875.motor is 2017 mercury verado pro which is a 6 cyl.Just looking for a idea which prop to start with when boat arrives in the spring.Thinking the bravo 1 fS but not sure what pitch and motor height to start with.Thanks for your help.Is bravo 1 and bravo 1 F S the same?

          1. Brent,
            Great fishing boat. You’re really going to like the 6 cylinder Verado. You’re spot on with the Pro Finished Bravo I FS vs the standard Bravo I. Mercury Racing takes the standard Bravo I and modifies them specifically for outboards. Typically, boat manufacturers mount the Verado with the AV plate 1” above boat bottom. Consider raising two holes making the AV plate 2.5” above boat bottom. As for pitch, its hard to make the call without having something to work from. I’m guessing it would be the 20” pitch Bravo I FS. Enjoy the new rig.

  24. Scott.

    I found your article on the walleye central web site, posted by a local fisherman. He made your recommended changes and is very happy with the results. He has the same boat and set up ( except that I have a 250, changing soon to a 300, he is running a 300 Verado ) and was experiencing the exact same problem with the bow riding high in Lake Erie chop. On days when we experience heavy seas ( last year was almost daily) It has been beating me and my clients, sometimes to a pulp. If it wasn’t for my smooth move seats it would have been much worse. I’ve never gotten over 5800 rpms and 54mph but seldom run wide open dup to burning too much fuel. I’ve called Lund a few times and asked about prop changes etc and even with their recommendations, the ride never improved. I’m very optimistic that when they hang the new Verado and lift it 2 holes, I will get the ride I’ve always expected from my 2075. When I order the new motor, I’ll also order a new prop. Should I go with the bravo 1 21 or 22? I run about 150 charters annually on Lake Erie and have up to 4 often beefy clients on board at one time. Thanks.

    Best Fishes
    Celebrating 35 years in sports radio/tv and 39 years guiding on Lake Erie

    1. Jim,
      What a great fishery with some of the roughest water. Thanks for all the detailed information, this past fall I was able to run a pitch selection of the new Bravo I LT against the Bravo I FS on a 2075 with a 300 Verado and 9.9 kicker (engine mounted with AV plate 2.5” above boat bottom). The boat loaded, 2 guys, gear, .75 fuel tank level, with the kicker off the 21” Bravo I FS was the ticket; placing the kicker back on the 19.5” and 20” worked the best. For your guiding business, I would go with the 19.5” Bravo I LT; planing will be awesome especially with the loads you carry.

  25. i have lund 1975 pro v with a 300 verado ,i have a 24 p bravo 1 fs ,i have not raised engine yet but really noticed differance in ride and hole shot ,can u tell me if i raise engine the 2 holes to get th 2.5 in i need ,what diff will i see thanks billy

        1. Billy,
          Typically, 100 to 150 rpm for .75″ height increase. If the engine is raised too high, additional slip will occur. The engine rpm goes up and your speed will drop along with water pressure.

  26. Scott

    First thanks for the forum and excellent data. I have a Lund 1875 ProV with a 200 L6 currently running a Bravo 1 FS 21p with 2.25″ cavitation plate above hull bottom. My boat is pretty loaded down (2 talons/5 batteries, trolling motor, 42 gal gas, gear etc.and est. 3000# total ). My hole shot is OK I do get some bow lift but it flattens out pretty quickly. I picked the 21p based on some of the threads on this page however I’m thinking I need to drop my pitch as my max RPM calm water is 5670 yielding a max 54 mph
    I was wondering what pitch you’d recommend for me and/or should I look at the Bravo 1 LT? Appreciate any insight you can lend.

    1. Russ,
      The engine rpm should be at least 5800 at WOT, the range is 5800 to 6400 rpm. The 20” pitch FS could offer additional 150 rpm but the Bravo I LT might be better to support the added weight with the Talons and the 5th battery. Moving to the 19.5 LT should get you at least 5900.

  27. Hi Scott,

    Not sure if you’re still answering these blog posts or not, left a question on another a couple of weeks ago and no response.

    Anyway, I have a ’16 Lund 186 Pro V Gl with 200hp Verado Pro 200 L6 and a 21″ Tempest. AV plate is 2-2.25″ above bottom of the boat. Had the boat out a few times now with varying results. With myself and wife in the boat ~325lbs, 36v Terrova, total of 4 batteries, full tank of gas, I ran 5750 rpm max and just under 55mph. I tried the boat with half the gas and same load, and the results were pretty much the same.

    Hole shot is good, even with both live wells full. I’m struggling which prop and pitch to choose. Bravo 1 FS 21″ pitch, Bravo 1 LT 21″, or maybe some other pitch recommendation.

    Any suggestion is greatly appreciated.

    1. Forgot to mention that as I slow down to ~30mph and when I start to trim up the boat porpoises. Right in between there is no porpoise when trimmed the same.

      1. Dallas,
        The Bravo I LT, with the flare of the barrel will minimize – if not eliminate the porpoising.

    2. Dallas,
      I apologize for the timing. We are good and busy, making it hard to keep up with what we have going on. Running the numbers; a 21” pitch Tempest, turning 5570 WOT engine rpm @ 55 mph with your 1.85:1 gear ratio 200 Verado L6 offers 8% slip. The low slip number is awesome, but the rpm isn’t. It is below Mercury’s recommended 5800 to 6400 rpm range. If you stay with the Tempest, move down to the 19” pitch. That will at least get you into the appropriate rpm range. If you want to move to the 4-blade, consider the 19.5 pitch Bravo I LT. If the 19” Tempest offers an increase of 300 to 350 rpm, 19.5” LT should offer another 75 to 80 rpm. I think your engine height is good. Raising it one hole would put it at 3” which, for your set up, seems high. It might work; but that’s up there. Have fun fishing.

      1. Hi Scott, thank you for the replies. I do get that you’re busy, but I appreciate the time you take to respond to so many people’s requests.
        I’ve had a chance to run my set up many more times and have since acquired a 19″pitch Tempest. The 19″ Tempest revs 6050rpm max with a top speed of 55.1mph. However, before I ran the 19″ Tempest I ordered a 20.5″ pitch Bravo 1 LT. You mentioned the 19.5″ but made a mistake on the max rpm, so I chose the 20.5″ pitch.
        The 20.5″ Bravo 1 LT only produces 5600rpm max at 52.5 mph. Now top speed isn’t the only thing that matters to me, but the rpm range is still too low.
        I am mounted in the middle hole with the AV plate 2.75″ – 3″ above the bottom of the hull.
        I love the way the Bravo 1 LT handles in rough water (even the wife mentioned she noticed a significantly improved ride) and the prop stopped the porpoising I was experiencing. Because of where I live, in Canada, I don’t have the luxury of trying props before I buy them, but I’d love to try the 19.5″ LT. I just don’t want to spend another $900CDN on a third prop. Any suggestions?
        Again, thank you for your time. ~Dallas

        1. Dallas,
          Check with Brainerd Propellers in Brainerd, MN, see if Ricky has any demo 19.5 LT for sale.

    1. Tim,
      If you keep the engine at the current height consider the 20″ pitch Bravo I LT; Lund’s seem to work better with the longer tube length.

  28. Hey Scott, I have a 2017 Alumacraft competitor 185 sport with a 150 fourstroke, mounted second hole from the top, running a factory installed 17p vengeance prop. Holeshot is ok but top speed is a disappointing 42 mph at 5750 rpm with 2 adults and a moderate load. I see the Mercury boathouse test ran this same boat with a laser II 19p and hit 51.5 mph. Would one of the higher end props be a significant improvement over the laser II? If so which one would you recommend? Thanks

    1. Jeff,
      The Vengeance is a great all-around propeller designed to push the boat forward. The Laser II has more rake compared to the Vengeance, thus more bow lift for added speed. The Laser II is NLA for your gearcase size but a good replacement is either the Tempest or Enertia and with your set up I think the Enertia makes more sense. With your moderate load, the 17” should offer similar rpm to the Vengeance, the 18” should lower the rpm 150 to 5600 increasing speed 1.5 mph. Running a 19” pitch might be a stretch if you ever run a heavy load.

  29. Scott,

    I know this is an older post but I have asked you question on here before. I just picked up my new Lund 1875 Pro V with the 200 HP Pro XS. the dealer installed the prop that is recommended by Lund – Tempest Plus 19P. The motor is mounted in the third whole and the plate looks to be about 1 – 1.5″ above the bottom of the boat. Have you had any experience with this motor and boat? My 2016 1875 Pro V with the 150HP four stroke had the same prop. Does that sound right – both motor have the same prop? I know the 200HP Pro XS is geared a little different. Any thoughts?

    1. Dan,

      That sounds about right for a starting point, should net you around 52 mph. It does sound like you can raise your engine up hole on the transom and utilize the Bravo I FS propeller family. This has been a popular option on the Lunds for improving top end speed and handling. A 20 pitch is an educated guess, once the engine raised.


  30. Nick,

    I’m currently running a Bravo 1 XS 22P prop on an Optimax 200. Engine height is at least 2″ above boat bottom, but measurement sometimes appears a bit over 2″ and closer to 2.25″ depending on how boat is positioned when I measure. WOT RPM is at 5500 – 5550. Hole shot/planing performance is great. Top speed is 57 – 58 mph.

    I’m well within proper RPM range on this motor, but max RPM on this motor is 5750, so my concern is whether or not I would benefit from getting RPM’s up closer to 5750. I don’t want to go down in pitch because I will lose top end speed and hole shot is already great. Raising the engine another hole would result in more RPM, but I wonder if that would result in the engine height being too high? From my current height of 2″ – 2.25″ this would put me at 2.75″ – 3″ height.

    Should I be content with where I’m at? Or, are there tweaks you would recommend to eke out a little more performance?


    1. Jason,

      I wouldn’t change a thing. Your slip numbers are awesome. You may gain 1-1.5 mph and 100-150 rpm by raising your engine height. Typically guys can run up to 3 inches above boat bottom on hulls similar to yours but I’m not sure the rewards are worth the effort.


  31. Lund 1875 ProV Bass XS
    2018 200hp 4 stroke V6
    22p Tempest Plus.
    54.5 mph @ 5200 RPM
    One 200lb passenger, full tank of fuel, and a typical load of gear on board.

    I am interested in the benefits of the Bravo I. What model/pitch of Bravo I ( FS / LT ) would you recommend ?

      1. I would like some of the benefits of the Bravo props that I’m reading about here, like limiting bow rise at low speed (pulling kids on a tube, and rough water performance). I’d also like to get the RPMs up closer to 5500-5600.

        If I went with the Bravo I FS in a 22p, how many RPM should I expect to gain vs. the current 22p Tempest Plus .

        1. Alex,

          Compared to the Tempest, you will really like the hole shot with the Bravo I FS. The boat rolls over a lot smoother. Running pitch for pitch, you can expect to gain 100-150 RPM at wide open with the switch. Which engine are you running? Most guys will step up one inch of pitch, 23 FS in your case, and raise the engine up one hole on the transom to get the most out of switching to a four blade prop. Top end gains after both changes typically range from 2 to 4 mph.


  32. Hi Scott, I have a 2019 Lund crossover XS 1875 with the new V6 175 pro XS. Boat came with none other then a 19p tempest plus with medium plugs in it. My motor was in the 2nd hole from the top since then I have moved it up to the 3rd hole after switching to a rev 4 xp 18p. Initial boat set up had the av plate 3/4” above pad. Now it is at 1.5” above pad. Here are what the results were.

    Full fuel(35gal)
    Typical load for outings
    2 people on board
    No trolling motor or batteries. Just crank battery

    Tempest plus 19p
    5650rpm at 52mph
    2nd hole from the top

    Rev 4 XP 18p
    5550 rpm at 52mph
    2nd hole from the top

    Rev 4 XP 18p
    5650 rpm 52mph
    3rd hole from the top

    Luckily I’m not seeing much of a difference in speed but my main concern I getting my motors rpm up closer to the 6000 mark as I don’t yet have my 80lb Ulterra or my 2 group 31 batteries installed. I also get a bit of ventilation when bow starts to come down after take off. It only worsened when I raised the motor. Observing when boat was on plane I could see the back half of the av plate but water seemed to flow over the front of it. Once I raised 1 hole my best guess on water on lower unit was 3/4”-1” below the above plate. Great but now on take offs it vents even worse when bow starts to lower. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also forgot to mention that I installed mobile vessel view so am basing rpm and mph off of that. Analog gauges are close but at wot analog rpm gauge shows 100 rpms more. Thanks again. AJ

    1. AJ,

      Thanks for the great data. I would like to hear where you are at once you add the batteries and trolling motor. I think you have two options, both are great choices. The 17 pitch Rev 4 XP will have a little more cup than the 18, helping you stay hooked up while planing, running in the 2nd hole. Or the Bravo I LT, running in the 3rd hole. The increased diameter and long tube will be great for hole shot.


        1. AJ,

          You are still within the recommended operating RPM range for your engine. You do not need to spin it all the way out to the limiter to be in the peak power band. You are going to lose top end speed stepping down in pitch. The 19 LT should keep your RPM up without sacrificing top end, it will need to be run in the 3rd hole.


          1. Hey nick so got out and tried the bravo 1 lt 19p and was only able to reach 5620rpm with a speed of 53.5 mph. It also didn’t seem to hook up as well as a rev. Looks like I’m trying a rev XP 16p next. Thanks for all the help and will report back on how the rev works on the new v6. Thanks AJ

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